Minutes for the MetOcean DWG Teleconference on 6 February 2012, 16:00 - 17.00 UTC


Jeff de la Beaujardière (NOAA)

Matthias Mueller (University of Dresden)

Marie-Françoise Voidrot (Météo-France)

Status of the works :

Update of the Vertical CRS needs to define Met Ocean products : We have added Geopotential height as a vertical CRS. Wikipedia provides a good definition : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopotential_height

We will not cover some of the vertical CRS which will probably be necessary for WCS BP but not for WMS BP. The use cases not covered into MO WMS BP will be explicited.

The updated schema at the beginning of the teleconf is :


Discussions on vertical CRSs :

Marie-Francoise had good feedbacks from Peter Baumann, chair of Coverages DWG, confirming that our works overlap in a very interesting way with theirs.

During the last teleconf Jeff suggested a more flexible way : to provide In WMS Capabilities XML:

<Dimension name="computed_surface">0.7PVU, 1.5PVU, 2.0PVU, Tropopause, MSL, Jet_level, ISO_T0, 2nd_Iso_T0, etc</Dimension>

GetMap DIM_computed_surface=Tropopause

Each specific surface shall have (mandatory) a standard name (resolvable URI or persistent URL) for each level of interest. For instance the Jet Level is the surface that follows the Jet.

Each name shall (mandatory) have a definition (which can be retrieved under that same URL) each model output must conform to that definition (whether pre-defined or generated by the model itself)

For instance the METEOTERM database on the WMO Web site provides a definition for the Jet Stream (but not resolvable with a URL at the moment ):


DEFINITION : Flat tubular, quasi-horizontal, current of air generally near the tropopause, whose axis is along a line of maximum speed and which is characterized by great speeds and strong vertical and horizontal wind shears.
DEFINITION SOURCE : International Meteorological Vocabulary, WMO - No. 182 "

Users might wish to know about the shape of the computed_surface (the "height field" for a specific model output) (optional). Marie Francoise will check if the current production set provides this type of data for each sample dimension. It is probably often the case (Flight Levels are provided for the Jet LEvel for instance) : It would be surprising to have to change the production at this stage.

Using the dimensions "elevation" and another vertical dimension (e.g. computed_surface) might cause problems because it allows illegal combinations in a request ("give me wind_speed at jetstream level at 1000 meters height"). : the client should not build a request with en ELEVATION and a DIM_computed_surface into the same request

A proposal of listing explicitly all the levels available mixing the real CRSs and the Sample Dimensions like <Dimension name="LEVEL">0.7PVU, 1.5PVU, 2.0PVU, Tropopause, MSL, Jet_level, ISO_T0, 2nd_Iso_T0, 1000 hPa, 950 hPa, 900 hPa, 850 hPa, ... , 2 M, 10 M, ...etc</Dimension> is discussed but rejected. It would allow to describe a production set but would not allow to implement a nearest value option if the client requests a level which is not exactly one of those available.

A solution could be to provide different layers on different services endpointsTwo possible solutions:
1) Demand layers to have either "elevation" or "computed surface" as the vertical dimension. If the information has to be provided for vertical "concepts", separate layers or separate service endpoints shall be used. . (different GetCapabilities)
2) Introduce additional conventions in the WMS protocol that client and service provides have to obey in order to prevent illegal requests. (Error-prone, might provoke further issues with default values etc.)


The concept of Sample dimension should be defined

Each specific surface should be defined as an abstract entity (Jet Level, 1.5 PVU...)

Marie-Francoise will detail the present production from Meteo-France as an example for each Sample Dimension to support discussions.

Pending questions :

Could Oceanographers confirm if we should add a "density CRSs" analoguous to pressure levels ?

Next teleconf :

13 February 2012 : 16 UTC Telecon 1 24x7 EST - +1 512 225 3650 passcode:784819#

Example of products over sample dimensions provided by Meteo-France:





-- MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez - 06 Feb 2012
Topic attachments
I Attachment Action Size Date Who Comment
Altitude_At_T-5.gifgif Altitude_At_T-5.gif manage 55 K 06 Feb 2012 - 15:48 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Altitude at Level Temperature -5 C
Altitude_at_IsoZR.psps Altitude_at_IsoZR.ps manage 358 K 06 Feb 2012 - 15:47 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Altitude at Level ISO 0
FLWindforce_at_Jet.psps FLWindforce_at_Jet.ps manage 5 MB 06 Feb 2012 - 15:49 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Flight Level and Wind Force at Level of the Jet
FLWinds_at_Jet.psps FLWinds_at_Jet.ps manage 5 MB 06 Feb 2012 - 15:50 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Flight Level and winds at Jet Level
FL_at_Jet.gifgif FL_at_Jet.gif manage 73 K 06 Feb 2012 - 15:57 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Flight Levels at Jet LEvel
FL_at_Jet.psps FL_at_Jet.ps manage 846 K 06 Feb 2012 - 15:51 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Flight Level at Jet Level
FL_at_Tropopause.gifgif FL_at_Tropopause.gif manage 80 K 06 Feb 2012 - 15:50 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Flight Level at Tropopause Level
Vertical_CRS_draft_06022012_telco_input.pngpng Vertical_CRS_draft_06022012_telco_input.png manage 96 K 06 Feb 2012 - 15:46 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Draft Vertical CRSs needed for Met Ocean DWG at 06 February 2012
Winds_at_Jet.gifgif Winds_at_Jet.gif manage 60 K 06 Feb 2012 - 15:53 MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez Winds at Jet Level
Topic revision: r3 - 09 Feb 2012, MarieFrancoiseVoidrotMartinez
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